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	<title>Comments on: Fitting Forward Facing Rear Seats &amp; Belts</title>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.nickslandrover.co.uk/archives/436/comment-page-1#comment-82736</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ian,

Congratulations on the new Land Rover!

I&#039;m a little perplexed by your question.  Any Defender would be factory fitted with suitable restraints for the relevant seat, so I&#039;m guessing you&#039;re retro-fitting seats to a commercial bodied vehicle.  It&#039;s important to understand that the EU regulations on passenger seating and restraints changed in 2007, requiring that all seats face forward.  The intention to fit inward facing restraints suggests inward facing seats, and if your vehicle is indeed constructed post-2007, then these would breech the regulations.  If that is the case, then your insurance would also probably invalidated.

If you are fitting inward facing seats (be they new from suppliers like Exmoor Trim or second hand from another Land Rover), and your vehicle is post-2007, then please check with VOSA to verify the legality of those seats.  Don&#039;t ever just trust the advice of vendors as they may have made mistakes in understanding your details or in interpreting the regulations.

For all that, if you are retro-fitting seats to a commercial body, then the best option would be to acquire the genuine parts, ideally new (especially the belts themselves), or second hand (be very wary of second hand belts).  Failing that, Exmoor Trim sell good alternatives, just as I used in the photos above.  As I said, I don&#039;t think much of their seat belt geometry, but it can be resolved using standard parts.  The quality of their components seems satisfactory, though.

I&#039;d be very happy to help you fit the seats or restraints if you bring everything down to Bedford (UK), but please understand that I am an enthusiast and amateur, not a professional, so don&#039;t hold/sell any parts and also cannot be held liable for any issues resulting from the installation (correct or otherwise), so though it would mean you get free installation, it would be very wise to spend a small amount on an inspection by someone suitably qualified such as a VOSA inspector or even just an MoT tester before using the seats.  That&#039;ll still be much cheaper than having them garage fitted (probably by an untrained mechanic or apprentice), and your insurers are very likely to insist on a certificate or letter-headed engineer&#039;s report on the installation anyway.

Use the email contact function on this site to send me your phone number if this fitting option suits you, or even just to talk about potential ideas.

Nick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ian,</p>
<p>Congratulations on the new Land Rover!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a little perplexed by your question.  Any Defender would be factory fitted with suitable restraints for the relevant seat, so I&#8217;m guessing you&#8217;re retro-fitting seats to a commercial bodied vehicle.  It&#8217;s important to understand that the EU regulations on passenger seating and restraints changed in 2007, requiring that all seats face forward.  The intention to fit inward facing restraints suggests inward facing seats, and if your vehicle is indeed constructed post-2007, then these would breech the regulations.  If that is the case, then your insurance would also probably invalidated.</p>
<p>If you are fitting inward facing seats (be they new from suppliers like Exmoor Trim or second hand from another Land Rover), and your vehicle is post-2007, then please check with VOSA to verify the legality of those seats.  Don&#8217;t ever just trust the advice of vendors as they may have made mistakes in understanding your details or in interpreting the regulations.</p>
<p>For all that, if you are retro-fitting seats to a commercial body, then the best option would be to acquire the genuine parts, ideally new (especially the belts themselves), or second hand (be very wary of second hand belts).  Failing that, Exmoor Trim sell good alternatives, just as I used in the photos above.  As I said, I don&#8217;t think much of their seat belt geometry, but it can be resolved using standard parts.  The quality of their components seems satisfactory, though.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be very happy to help you fit the seats or restraints if you bring everything down to Bedford (UK), but please understand that I am an enthusiast and amateur, not a professional, so don&#8217;t hold/sell any parts and also cannot be held liable for any issues resulting from the installation (correct or otherwise), so though it would mean you get free installation, it would be very wise to spend a small amount on an inspection by someone suitably qualified such as a VOSA inspector or even just an MoT tester before using the seats.  That&#8217;ll still be much cheaper than having them garage fitted (probably by an untrained mechanic or apprentice), and your insurers are very likely to insist on a certificate or letter-headed engineer&#8217;s report on the installation anyway.</p>
<p>Use the email contact function on this site to send me your phone number if this fitting option suits you, or even just to talk about potential ideas.</p>
<p>Nick.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Moss</title>
		<link>http://www.nickslandrover.co.uk/archives/436/comment-page-1#comment-82706</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nick My Partner has just got a 2011 defender and we are looking for some one to fit rear inward facing seat belts. We are finding it very difficult and i wonder do you fit them for other people or do you know any one else who does. (PLEASE) Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nick My Partner has just got a 2011 defender and we are looking for some one to fit rear inward facing seat belts. We are finding it very difficult and i wonder do you fit them for other people or do you know any one else who does. (PLEASE) Ian</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.nickslandrover.co.uk/archives/436/comment-page-1#comment-57644</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m always pleased to see my ideas used as an inspiration or spring board for others - it&#039;s what this blog is all about.  The versatility and simplicity of Land Rovers makes the sharing of ideas a great way to get your ideal vehicle, and I&#039;m always keen to see what others have done that I can use or adapt too.

Thanks for following the blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m always pleased to see my ideas used as an inspiration or spring board for others &#8211; it&#8217;s what this blog is all about.  The versatility and simplicity of Land Rovers makes the sharing of ideas a great way to get your ideal vehicle, and I&#8217;m always keen to see what others have done that I can use or adapt too.</p>
<p>Thanks for following the blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrin Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.nickslandrover.co.uk/archives/436/comment-page-1#comment-57197</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrin Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Nick... very helpful as I process my options for my 110 defender 3dr.  

Have a goodie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Nick&#8230; very helpful as I process my options for my 110 defender 3dr.  </p>
<p>Have a goodie!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Normally you’d be right to be concerned, Alan, but that particular type of Securon belts (no longer stocked by Exmoor Trim) have adjustment units for two planes of mounting to allow for just this sort of scenario – that’s what the protruding nodes from the sides of the reel drums are for. The large node rotates in the same axis as the reel itself and allows the reel to be mounted on and inboard/outboard cant, even allowing the reel to be mounted horizontally or inverted, while a second smaller knob on the first node allows for the reel to be mounted with a front/rear slant as I have. These adjusters are visible to the left of the reel unit in the seat belt photo.

The belts were tested before use and have passed numerous MoT inspections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Normally you’d be right to be concerned, Alan, but that particular type of Securon belts (no longer stocked by Exmoor Trim) have adjustment units for two planes of mounting to allow for just this sort of scenario – that’s what the protruding nodes from the sides of the reel drums are for. The large node rotates in the same axis as the reel itself and allows the reel to be mounted on and inboard/outboard cant, even allowing the reel to be mounted horizontally or inverted, while a second smaller knob on the first node allows for the reel to be mounted with a front/rear slant as I have. These adjusters are visible to the left of the reel unit in the seat belt photo.</p>
<p>The belts were tested before use and have passed numerous MoT inspections.</p>
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